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----- Original Message -----
From: "floriano"
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!"
Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Khorench Kai Amkam Husko Konknnicho?
> Fausto-bab,
>
> Aiz maka thodo visou mel'lo [meulo] tedna'm hav'em tujem boroup pure'm
> vachle'm ani maka dis'un ieta ki tum ze'm mhun'tai te'm
> sarke'm ... ki Romi lipi boroilearuch zaina'm punn vachpakui zai. Odik
> korun vachpak.
>
> Hav'em zaite paut mhulla'm ki au'm Reginald Fernandes'acheo romanxi
> vachtalo'm bhurgo astana'm. Punn thi so'mvoi modli zedna au'm ghara bhair
> paulo'm potachi sudh gheucheak. Punn, tum poitai teah pormone'm maka
> Konknnintlean't boroupak um'mid azunui'm assa. Pun Portuguez bhaxe cheh
> accents na'm zaun romint'lean Konknni boroupak avghodd zata.
>
> Torui punn nodor marlear Vavradeacho Ixtt zau'm, Gulab zau'm, individual
> Konknnintleant boroitele zau'm -- ek standard konknni mevonk avghodd, he'm
> tum bore baxen mandun ghetoloi mhun sozmottam. Tor goroj assa Konknni'chem
> Romi script standardize korcheak. Aka ugot lagtolo, he'm xhert. Punn
> Goemkara'm-ni'm fud'lem panvol marpakuch zai. Ami sogle tor apnachench
> tambdem mhun ap'apnank zai toxem korin't zalear amchi Konknni boroupa ani
> vachpa chi thuim'soruch urteli patlim 450 vorsam urlea toxi. Igorj Maten
> Romi lipien Konkanni liturgy chalu korun ekdom borem kelam and borem zala'm.
> Aiz Salcete ani Bardez ur'unk na'm. Ani he'm mhul'lear ekdom ghorjeche'm
> ka'm zaun assa.
>
> Unity in Language becomes unity of thought process. And this is very
> important if we are going to take Goa Up Up Up. And we should never allow
> it to Down Down Down like it seems to be heading.
>
> A'che fudeh mojean tuka anink kitench zangpak zainam.
>
> Tuca konknnintleant mogacho abras
>
> floriano
> goasuraj
> 9890470896
> PPS
> www.goasu-raj.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fausto Da Costa"
To:
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 1:51 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Khorench Kai Amkam Husko Konknnicho?
I had given my input to Floriano's mail as I knew he would take it in the
right spirit. Although constraint of time do not permit me still I shall
briefly reply to the suggestions made by Florianobab and Eugene bab in the
following mails hoping it may be a atleast drop in the ocean. If time
permits I shall deal in details with the subject at a later date. I shall
write in Konkani since I will be able to express myself better in that
language and on that language.
Romi Konknni ekrup divpa vixim Bab Floriano ani Eugene boroitat tem nitt
asa, punn tem korpak dista tem sompem na, karann Konknni mollailem
vatavoronn hem korpak boro aukaz dina. Punn amchean khoim tori survat korum
ieta. Goa Konkani Akademy hannim 'Romi Lipint Konknni Borounchi Nemavoll'
hem pustok uzvaddak haddlam ani te nemavolli pormonnem tori cholpak zata.
Punn hem pustok toyar korpich vangddi tatun nem' dileat te pormonnem
boroinant tedna kitem mhonnpachem?
Amchim sommelonam zatat tedna osle vixoy voir yeun tancher bhasabhas zaunk
zai asli. Punn oxem zata? Amchim sommelonam lipichea vadacher suru zatat ani
tacheruch somptat kiteak amkam hatun amchi mokh kitem? hench spoxtt na.
Fuddari mhonnlole magir lokanchea dolleank panam bandun chol'le.
Atam, hem kam' korpachem karya konnacheai hatant sompoilem mhunn zaina. Tem
korpak laykeche monis asonk zai. Floriano baban suchoil'lea vorim mhojea
osleanchem kam' nhoi tem. Hem zaite zann mandun ghenant ani apunnuch soglem
korunk fuddem sortat ani vatt lavun uddoitat. Konnak kainch mhunnonk zaina,
kiteak soglech apleak ponddit somzotat. Hem kortoleak tinui lipinchi zannvay
aslole vekotichi goroz. Ami Romi Konknni mollar amkanch 'know all'
mhonnloleachi vrut'ti ghetat ani itihas legit chukicho 'document' korun
fuddle pillgek dovortat. Karann ho vaur kopxi nasloleanchea hatamni ditat,
zankam favo ti zannvay asona. Magir hem kiteak ghoddtta tem tumi
somzopachem, kiteak hem uktadar kelear tem 'personal' zata. He toren
porjechea duddvancho idvas korpant yeta. Ani konn sot dakhovpak veta to tea
monxancho 'target' zata. Hanvem kitem mhonnlam tem konnacheanui kosak lavun
polleum ieta vo boroilolem uzvaddak yeta tacher nodor marun polloum yeta. Ek
udharonn gheum-ia Romi Konknnint kitem uzvaddak yeta vo kitem chukichem zata
tacher kedna tori vichear zata? Zaina! ani chuki kortoleank tem pochon veta.
Khoinchei bhaxent novim-novim utram yetatuch ani oxe nove sobd gheun bhas ek
girest zata, zalear Konknnint kiteak novim utram gheunchim nhoi? Gheunk zai,
punn
hi prokriya (process) matxi soukas zaunk zai. Ani sogleamni nemit Konknni
vachunk zai. Konknni vachinastana derepent utthon avghodd utram mhunnon
bobav kortat tatun orth na. Gulab-ache nemit vachpi asat tankam Gulab-ant
sovka-sovkas novim utram bhorxitat tim avghodd lagonant. Punn Konknni
borovpeank legit tim avghodd lagtat, karann Konknni borovpi apunn vachpi
zaunk sodinant. Hem soglem ratia modem korunk xok'ya na. Hanv The Goa
Times-acher boroitana te xoilechi Konknni boroitalom, ani magir sovka-sovkas
ti sudharit gelom. Punn aizui tech xoilen borovop sarkem na, karann Konknni
bhas sudhrot vochonk zai. Tech borobor vachpeankui monant dovrun borounk
zai. Ami Goan Review-acher boroitana matxi sompi bhas vapuddtat. Vachpeank
monant dovrunuch ho proyotn zata. Zor ami avghodd boroilem ani tem lokank
somzona zalear potr uzvaddant haddpant orth na. Dekhun hi prokriya sovkas
zaunk zai, punn zaunk zai matr!
Atam vachpeanchea vixoyacher boroitana Frolian baban tiatram vixim boroilam
tatun mhoje kaim 'inputs' ditam. Tiatr dorjeache nhoi mhunnon tankam
'condemn' korop sarkem na. Tiatracho dorzo voir kaddunk sodtana poile svater
prekxokancho dorzo voir kaddpachi goroz asa. Atam Tiatr Academy zalea, ani
hi Academy tiatrancho dorzo voir kaddpa dixen vaurta. Punn hem kam' korche
poilim tiatram vixim khol obheas korunk zai. Ek vevsayik tiatr gheun dorzo
voir kaddpache proyotn korop mhollear ek assol pixeponn. Ek 'commercial'
tiatrist zor prekxokank zai tem dina zalear to tiatr koso cholom yeta? Magir
amche tiatr polleteleancho dorzo polleunk zai. Tiatr konn polleta? Tancho
dorzo kitlo voir asa? Dorzo aslole prekxok kiteak tiatr pollenant? Ho ek
obheas asa, ani te te pormonnem pavlam marchi goroz asta. Punn oxem zalolem
dison yena. Amchem soglem korunk zai mhunn korpachem asta. Punn akhkhrek
tacho foll kitem? Porjechea duddvancho idvas. Romi Konknni mollar soglem
EKLOCH zannam mhonnttat toxem - nemavoll to zanna, itihas to zanna, tiatr
koso ascho to zanna, trio kitem ani clown kitem to zanna... to zanna... to
zanna! Herancho hacher vichear zaina. Vichear zata zalear to ordhearuch
thamboun 'Hoiba' mhonnapchi gozal.
Punn Kan'add Konknni mollar soglem odik vevosthit zata, dekhun tea mollar
Konknnichi odik progoti zal'li dixtti poddtta. Kaluch hanv Mandd Sobhann-an
ghoddun haddlolea eka daiz xibarak hajir zalom. Eric Ozario bab hem xibir
choloita. Konknni bhaxecho prochar to korit vota. Atam Konknnint nove sobd
ghevpache tache
proyotn chol'leat. To mhonntta 'class' hacho Konknnint orth vorg sakho zaina
to sobd Konknnint 'KOK' zaunk zai. Hacher fuddle vichear korpak hanv Prof. S
M
Borges-acher soddttam. Osle anikui khub xobd asat. Ami 'xir ghuspolea'
mhonnttat thoim te 'xir dhuspottlea' mhonnttat. Uril'lem anik kednai boroin.
Konknni mollar khub korchem asa. Punn konn kortolo? ho mat vhoddlo prosn.
Akhkrek amkam khorench husko kai Konknnicho vo...?
Fausto
Floriano wrote:
Dear Fausto,
...And yes. Konkani needs to be standardized. And, you, of all people can be
one of the important motivators in this direction.
Monis, Munis vo Muniso is one great example.
B/rgds
floriano
Eugene worte:
....More than anything, Konkani needs to bridge the different gaps and come,
as Fausto suggested, an standardized form.
Then arises the question: which one is standarized form, one that satisfies
the worthies at the DKA or the one that satisfies the Devnagiri proponents?
...Standard, formal, colloquial or dialectic, Konkani in any form must be
understand by speakers from different communities and from different
geographical areas where the language is being used, no matter widely or in
small circles. From Goa to Mangalore to Kerala, Konkani needs to be
harnessed in the best interests of its speakers.
Finding fault or crying foul on its different usage does not serve the cause
of Konkani. Hence, it does not matter if Floriano, Thomazinho, Fausto or
Borges agree or disagree on the usage of certain words or the pronounciation
of them. The predicament that Floriano had placing an extra "n" in Konkanni
or if the Kendra is right in the other spelling, Konknni, in its nameplate,
is the predicament many not-so-frequent writers of the language will face.
...As much as I want both Borges and Thomazinho to sharpen their pencils and
cross each other out in a debate on this forum on the Devnagiri vs Romi
issue and, by extension, on the roles the DKA plays in promoting Romi
Konkani and the Goa Konkani Akademi in pushing forward or sustaining the
Devnagiri form, I wish they do not physically get on stage to have a debate.
The debate could wind up become a farce or, if I may say, a tiatr that could
be categorized in the Theatre of the Absurd. Let them continue trading
barbed words. I, for one, enjoy their exchanges as it provides me some
insights into the working minds of these two stalwarts doing battle in their
own little ways for Mai Bhas. No doubt I have put my toe into this hot bowl
of language soup, I do not want anyone to draw me in totally. I am no expert
on Konkani but a lay person who read a lot of Konkani in my younger days and
wrote a little with some help from friends but has spent considerable time
talking, listening and arguing with some noted Konkani writers of my early
adulthood in Mumbai in the offices of Ave Maria, The Goa Mail, Goa Times and
The Goan Sports Weekly.
Fausto knows for sure that I subscribed to Gulab during my stay in Dubai. I
devoured it, at times struggling as much as Floriano on what word "sounded"
right to my ears. I have probably said it here but for sure I have said it
to people in the Konkani movement in Goa that a large part of the new
generation of Goans in Goa are not reading books and periodicals published
in Konkani.
For me, the real debate lies in asking those who are in the front ranks of
promoting and sustaining Konkani and those like me who want the language to
survive no matter what the odds are is how to come to terms with the current
situation. The very fear of Konkani losing its hold on the current
generation and the neglect and abandonment by the future generation should
bring votaries of Konkani on a common ground and fight unitedly instead of
dueling with each other with their pens.
It matters not whether we are standing on the "paltade" or "poltoda" side or
on the "altode" sides on the issue, we must must midstream and embrace each
other and toast to the language that both unites and divides us.
Eugene Correia
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